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     Jason Molino (Jpm) Member Username: Jpm Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2010 |
We keep a folder on self mutilating fingerprints and it's quite interesting to see how the finger tries to regrow its pattern resulting in double patterns. We also notice many people tend to alter the fingertip instead of the actual pattern. | ||
| Raejean Prather (Raejeanprather) Member Username: Raejeanprather Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2009 |
Michele: Thanks so much for the information. I will check with my daughter. I agree that the person probably wasnt an expert, probably wanted to sound like one. I suspect they were from Wackenhut beings the bank uses them. She did start work at the bank a few days later. I will check with her and report back if she knows anything. | ||
| Michele Triplett (Michele_triplett) Member Username: Michele_triplett Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2006 |
There are a variety of possibilities. If it were from the knitting needles then I'd think the scars would be recent and superficial and could heal, then she could have her fingerprints retaken. If the scars were permanent, there shouldn't be a problem; her fingerprints can still be used for identification. Handling fibrous material could be the cause. There are some simple remedies to help her fingers heal so she could be reprinted. If it were genetic then it's possible that it's not scaring, but rather a lot of creases. This would make her fingerprints harder to interpret but not impossible. You indicated that the person who took her prints worked at the bank. This tells me that they were not an expert in fingerprinting and they could have been wrong. I don't know of any agency that has a 'special place' they send difficult images to. Would you happen to know where they're normally sent to (the State Patrol or the FBI)? Both places deal with bad fingerprints on a regular basis. If there's a problem then they might recommend stop knitting for a few weeks, use a lot of moisturizer, and try to get better prints in a few weeks. This is quite common, I wouldn't worry about it. Michele | ||
| Raejean Prather (Raejeanprather) Member Username: Raejeanprather Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2009 |
My daughter was recently fingerprinted for a Bank job. They made a comment to her that her fingerprints were really scarred. We find this really odd, none of us ever remember here injuring her fingers in any way except for the typical burns we get from cooking :-). Her fingerprints ended up being sent someplace for a special review and still waiting to hear back. Seems to me that a person would know if they injured themselves enough to cause scars to form. My daughter knits a lot. Could handling fiber cause something like this to occure? Or maybe it is a genetic thing? or maybe the use of facial scrubs... Or maybe the person working at the bank didnt know what they were talking about :-). As a mother that has worked for 30 years a the same bank (I have never had my finger prints taken, cause I am old LOL)it is very upsetting to me. Could the term Scarring be used in reference to someone with a lot of detail in their print when there really is no scaring? | ||
| David Fairhurst |
Kasey et al, I had an awful feeling when I started reading this thread but it turns out I needn't have. Kasey, I like the way you avoided saying 'A scar makes a fingerprint more unique' in your last paragraph. And gave a good explanation of how a scar can make our job easier. Of course scars make prints more distinctive and therefore easier to search and identify (most of the time) but uniqueness is an absolute and cannot be increased or decreased. Joe and Wolfone, I said 'most of the time' because we can only use the scar if it is present in both the latent and inked prints. What if it's only in the latent? What if it's only in the inked? I regard the search for scarred latent through unscarred inked prints one of the more advanced examination skills. David @:^) | ||
| Kasey Wertheim |
Joe and Wolfone, It seems we all share an interest in the scarring of fingerprints! I have done some studies on permanent, intentional fingerprint mutilation and can offer the following: Scarring affects the generating layer of skin, between the epidermis and the dermis. This causes ridge detail to grow back in a different way, but that growth becomes permanent and is also unique. Without getting into a lot of detail on this subject, that detail may not appear the same, but it is also unique and permanent. You both are interested in the effects of scarring on fingerprints and identification. The effects on fingerprints are permanent... it is permanent scarring. This rearranges ridge detail, but that rearrangement is also permanent and unique. The effects of scarring actually provide more detail per square unit of measure than normal friction ridge skin provides. Therefore, scarred skin holds tremendous individualizing power. A permanent scar is an excellent feature to use in both the searching and the identification of friction skin impressions because of a large amount of unique and permanent detail available for comparison purposes. -Kasey | ||
| Joe Bloggs |
I too am interested in the effects of scarring on fingerprints, and there seems to have been no update on this | ||
| wolfone |
I would appreciate any info or web sites that deal with the "Effects of Occupational Scarring have on the Identification Process"? |
